tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15839039.post3100209422149405314..comments2023-07-08T02:43:16.150-05:00Comments on Philanswers: When the answer is not an answerPhil Sandershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17730256837717993061noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15839039.post-8063702214635657692007-01-18T13:50:00.000-06:002007-01-18T13:50:00.000-06:00Dear Anonymous,
I am well aware of the movement t...Dear Anonymous,<br /><br />I am well aware of the movement that took place from 1860-1890 and was recognized in 1906 "introducing the instrument" (the words of those who did it).<br /><br />As for the 665 date, the earliest uses of the instruments among the Catholics are debated. Ferguson suggests it may have been as late as the tenth century.<br /><br />What I am speaking about is the current digression, the progressive thought that values the desires of our time more than the clear teaching of Scripture. I don't know of any NT teaching that affirms the use of IM in the worship of the church.<br /><br />PhilPhil Sandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17730256837717993061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15839039.post-13941776590426938912007-01-18T13:19:00.000-06:002007-01-18T13:19:00.000-06:00Be careful about assuming that the introduction of...Be careful about assuming that the introduction of the instrument is a "sign of the times." Unless of course you mean, 665 A.D. when the Catholic church did it, or 1906 when the Christian church did it. It might be a "sign of the times" for Churches of Christ but certainly has very little connection with trends in the broader evangelical community or Christendom in general. They were doing it centuries ago.<br /><br />Also, kudos to JD. Right on, brother!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15839039.post-51541191332949349602006-12-27T11:34:00.000-06:002006-12-27T11:34:00.000-06:00Yes, the leaders anticipated their losses. Did the...Yes, the leaders anticipated their losses. Did they also care about remaining united with their own people, JD? You say this is no loss to the kingdom. The loss to the kingdom is not in those who separate themselves from the error of instrumental music but is in those who embrace the error of self-made religion. They have chosen to accommodate to our times rather than please the Lord. I do not "crow" about anything. Rather I grieve that a church so large is filled with such an attitude.<br /><br />Many bad sermons quote Scripture. Just containing verses doesn't assure correct exegesis. The use of John 17:20, for instance, without regard to Jn. 17:17 or the doctrinal unity of the Father and the Son shows a weakness in how the progressives have quoted Scripture. They prooftext out of context--practicing the very thing they accuse others of doing.<br /><br />I do not call the arguments pablum; I call them false.<br /><br />Thanks for reading and for contributing.<br /><br />PhilPhil Sandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17730256837717993061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15839039.post-76900285347233082912006-12-27T10:22:00.000-06:002006-12-27T10:22:00.000-06:00On the other hand, I would guess that the leaders ...On the other hand, I would guess that the leaders anticipated that some would leave and go to other congregations. That's not a loss to the Kingdom. I would also be cautious about crowing too loudly about the losses ... unless we are going to brag about them when they have an upsurge. Whether or not we agree with RH, they are not treating the Scriptures nor the church lightly. I think if we try to cast them as people who just do not care much about the Bible, we are making a big mistake. Rick Atchley's preaching is filled with Scripture. His arguments are not pablum. I like reading your blog, Phil.JDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02468842019388380542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15839039.post-84337402216825660102006-12-22T05:03:00.000-06:002006-12-22T05:03:00.000-06:00Phil,
Ditto to what Paula said. I noticed the sam...Phil,<br />Ditto to what Paula said. I noticed the same line that she did. I have had the same thoughts about this situation with Richland Hills adding the instrument. I have heard that they were one of the more mainstream churches and not on the cutting edge of progressiveness. I guess that means that when moderate churches start adding the instrument we should follow suit as well.<br /><br />We met at the Ohio Valley College (back then it was college) Lectureship in the early 90s. Enjoyed reading your book, Adrift.Bob Blisshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03461895460860113802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15839039.post-25914697608534216172006-12-21T14:27:00.000-06:002006-12-21T14:27:00.000-06:00-Loose religion attracts people who want a non-thr...-Loose religion attracts people who want a non-threatening faith<br /><br />So true! Well said.<br /><br />Thanks.Paula Harringtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09216111684767440552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15839039.post-74540265465099392232006-12-20T19:51:00.000-06:002006-12-20T19:51:00.000-06:00Nice blog. Jason Carter sent me to your post here....Nice blog. Jason Carter sent me to your post here. Keep up the good work.B0Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08857652251398892036noreply@blogger.com